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It's World War II. I have a nation deep in the South Pacific. By the 1930s, it was the first to develop nuclear weapons entirely from its domestic resources, human capital, copious amounts of good luck, and extensive espionage. At the same time, the Empire of Japan was trying to invade the nation. The nation tested out its nukes by using them on the invading ships. Overall, the Empire of Japan attempted invasion three times before giving up.

The nation still held some skepticism towards nuclear weapons, so it deliberately refrained from revealing them to the world. Because of this, the nation deliberately allowed the invading ships to penetrate deep into its maritime boundaries. It would congregate the ships, drop the nukes, kill any survivors (if any), clean up the wreckage, and then collect any irradiated material. Everyone involved in this conspiracy was given generous benefits (or bullets) to keep quiet. When interrogated about its methods, the nation used the excuse of extensive naval mines, clever military tactics, and conventional non-nuclear means.

When America nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the nation decided not to reveal its weapons immediately, believing that it should wait for others (like the USSR) to catch up before "officially joining" the nuclear club. By 1960, it finally revealed its first "successful" nuclear test to the world.

The nation has a simple goal: To hide the fact that it used nukes during WWII. It wants the world to assume it only gained nukes in 1960, not in the 1930s. Ideally, the world neither knows nor suspects the truth. Assume the nation's counter-intelligence works in keeping this event internally top secret and that everyone involved doesn't reveal anything.

Could the nation feasibly pull this off or is there something fundamental that prevents it?

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    $\begingroup$ Do you want to hide the fact that nation X USED a nuke, or the fact that nukes where used at all? Because if you can't hide the fact a nuke was used, simply move the blame to some third party. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 13:03
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    $\begingroup$ I won't put it as an answer as others have covered that you would need to misdirect the investigation rather than deny it outright. But I only want to mention one anecdote. Before Trinity the Kodak company was already addressing problems with radioactive material from the radium industry contaminating their x-ray film packaging. Within 3 weeks of Trinity they knew "something" had happened that spread radioactive fallout over the US, and within 2 years knew it was cerium-141 from an atomic weapon. You can play with the timelines and blame, but the fallout will be noticed and investigated. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 18:19
  • $\begingroup$ How deep in the South Pacific? The Tonga Trench goes down 10,800 meters;-) $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 22:48
  • $\begingroup$ This scenario sends disbelief in orbital flight rather than merely suspending it. When a nation goes "officially" nuclear, this more or less spills every bean there was to spill: every body understands that they got the technology by every mean available, legal and illegal; and that their future nuclear strategy is worth spying on. What do they actually benefit from misdirecting (more exactly, from attempting to misdirect) about the actual timeline of their efforts? $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 21, 2025 at 15:14
  • $\begingroup$ BTW, the clever tactics by which they defended against 3 successive invasions were worth spying on at the time, specially after the success of the 1st defense. What came out of these intelligence efforts? $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 21, 2025 at 15:23

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I don't think you could hide the way you took out the invading fleets. Managing to sink entire fleets without any survivors or even any report making it back would get you swarmed generals, admirals, military analysts and every military historian not occupied writing about the nazis digging for your tactics, equipment and every servicemembers minute-by-minute battle report. You would need an entire army of excellent and loyal spies to tell consistent tales, while the other actual army all keep their mouths shut. It is not realistically feasable you could keep that secret.

And you somehow have to invent plausible fake battle histories on top. Which would be tested and tried to replicate by every other nation in the world because they are apparantly super effective.

And ships even back then usually carried radios and often took hours to sink. Having absolutely no radio of the supposed battles getting picked up by other units would be mind boggling.

And a dozen other issues. I fear for this one you will need to go the Wakanda route. It justs exists, believe me cause I am the author.

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    $\begingroup$ That was my thought as well. By the 1940s fleets just don't just 'disappear' without a trace. A submarine? Sure. Single surface ship? Maybe. But an entire fleet? No. Even in operation Ten-Go (the last sortie of battleship Yamato) a few Japanese ships still escaped despite being attacked by nearly 400 American aircraft. And that wasn't even a big fleet to begin with. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 11:09
  • $\begingroup$ there's one way to cover up all the loose mouths: Execute them all, destroy their reports, then execute the executioner, then destroy everything that could be evidence of why they were killed, then kill anyone that even knew these people existed... in short: kill the whole nation just to cover up all the tales... but that leaves the physical residue of irradiated shipwrecks and soil. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 21:20
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    $\begingroup$ You could fiy that problem with more nukes. Irradiate the entire island so much everybody stepping foot on it instantly dies and nobody will ever find out how irradiated it is. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 23:01
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    $\begingroup$ Wouldn't work. Even exposure to massive amounts of ionizing radiation takes time to kill (days to months). Additionally, the most highly radioactive isotopes produced by nukes have short half lives and would decay to safe levels within weeks. Long term exposure would remain a risk, but not enough to deter people from brief visits. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 6:29
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Frame challenge point 1: why would someone put effort into developing a formidable strategic advantage and then keep it hidden?

To quote Dr. Strangelove:

The whole point of the doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, eh?

Frame challenge point 2: it is against common sense and military doctrine to congregate a large amount of ships into a cramped space, for the obvious reason that they become sitting ducks even for a simple submarine and its torpedoes.

When nukes were tested against naval targets, it was made clear that the concentration of the test targets was way higher than military doctrine suggested.

Frame challenge point 3: considering the amount of troops involved into the cleaning up you suggest, it would be too costly to silence all of them, either with money or bullets.

That said, no, it is not thinkable that the nation would manage to hide such a secret for so long. Again, you don't want to keep it hidden, and there are too many people involved to really keep everything undercover. Look at the real history of how the USSR got privileged intelligence on the early stages of the nuclear program of USA.

And don't forget that once the USA starts playing with its own nuclear toys they will become able to recognize the telltale signs of a nuclear explosion and quickly make 2+2 with all those strange events happened earlier in the South Pacific.

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    $\begingroup$ Don't forget that for a small self sufficient island nation a conventional military is likely to be far more cost effective at discouraging invasion than developing a secret nuclear program plus enough nukes to destroy multiple invasion fleets. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 7:44
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    $\begingroup$ Add to this the fact that the world had been able to detect seismic activity, acoustics, and even unusual amounts of radiation (though not well) by that time. It's believable that scientists across the world would be wondering "what on Earth was THAT?" $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 18:14
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    $\begingroup$ And the possibility of a nuclear bomb was known as early as 1939, so the response would not be just "what on earth was that?" but "could that have been one of these nuclear bombs people are talking about?". And how did this nation get enough brilliant physicists to develop a bomb without any of the other brilliant physicists knowing who they were and where they were? The American (and other Allied) nuclear physicists know pretty much all the German physicists who were capable of developing a bomb, and the German ones knew who the Allied ones were. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 18:27
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    $\begingroup$ in 1945 when USA started it's testing, Geologists across the world were wondering "What on Earth was THAT?". Once the general public knew that Nuclear bombs existed, that same year, then geologists could pretty accurately pinpoint all nuclear tests around the world, and could immediately pinpoint every nuclear test that had taken place. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 0:25
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    $\begingroup$ @user71659 "You want to make people think that you might have a nuclear weapon..." Israel definitely wanted people to think they had nuclear weapons, whether they did or not. That's quite a bit different from hoping people don't think you have nuclear weapons, despite actually using them. Thus, while your point should be interesting to Dmyt, it's not an answer to L.Dutch's point #1. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 0:59
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There are several problems with your idea:

No nation would have the money for this.

The Manhattan project took .2% of the US's GDP to develop, and the US had the highest GDP in the world by a factor of 2. It was 5 times richer than Japan, which was the most significant island nation. Assuming various factors were the same, it'd have taken a full 1% of Japan's GDP. We're talking about a nation significantly smaller than Japan or the US, so it'd easily take 10% or more of their GDP.

Lack of additional resources

This island nation would not only need to have easy access to plutonium/uranium to make their bombs, they'd also need state of the art fabrication and research areas, which would require a lot of extra materials to construct. Even "basic" things like steel, coal, or gasoline are hard to come by out in the Pacific Ocean. There's also the matter of human capital. They'd need to be an island of super geniuses. All the best research at the time was happening at a select few colleges in the US and Europe, so they'd either have to rival prestigious colleges like Berkeley/Cambridge with their own out in the pacific or send their best scholars away for several years to train in those colleges.

Independent island nations didn't exist

It's important to remember that the Imperialism was a big deal. As far as I can tell from a brief wikipedia search NZ and Australia were the only countries in Oceania that had gained independence from the Brits prior to WWII. Oceanic island nations like Kiribati, Papua New Guinea or Nauru didn't gain independence until the 60s or 70s. It's possible that there was one or two island nations that somehow escaped imperialism and would have been able to build a bomb without oversight, but if those countries existed, they would have had to been in contact with Europe enough to get the cutting edge breakthroughs in physics and chemistry. You'd need a nation that wasn't colonized but still had deep contacts with the western world, which didn't exist.

The internet didn't exist

We're so used to the speed of knowledge transfer because of the internet. That wasn't the case in the 30's. An island nation is by definition isolated from the world. They would have to physically ship in the newest papers from the US and Germany through the start of the 20th century. It's conceivable there'd be a year or two gap between a discovery in Europe/America and it filtering out to an island nation.


So in conclusion, they'd need a crazy amount of money they don't have, a lack of imperial oversight to conduct their research while still having enough of a relationship to Western powers to understand all the breakthrough scientific advances happening, and they'd need a bunch of geniuses that could do cutting edge work with limited access to outside ideas and materials.

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Unless the nation is also hostile to post-war Japan, the Japanese government might request permission to try locate the wreckage of IJN ships to recover the human remains. While a sovereign nation is of course free to refuse, doing so will invite suspicion of something untoward happened. Obviously, it won't be "they have a superweapon back then", but it could make people, local and foreign, try investigating the possibility of war crimes ("maybe they don't want the ships to be located because it will show they're gunning those in the water"). It's one thing for tens of thousands to keep the secret of the superweapon, it's another thing if they got accused of being war criminals.

As much as the nation attempts to take out the invading fleet in one swoop, there's bound to be a rear guard and other groups that either escaped the battle or at least relayed the situation, especially during the second and third attempts of the doomed invasion. They would notice how all communication from the front line ceased without a single straggler reporting their defeat.

And then there's the fallout. Even if the nation stuff their nuke inside a submarine to wreck the invader fleet, there are bound to be detectable remnant in the air around the world that can be measured decades later. Scientists might assume a wrong baseline, but eventually they'd notice the decaying level can only be explained by an earlier nuclear explosion.

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A defending nation doesn't get to choose where an aggressor deploys its forces.

There are a couple of (very) fatal flaws in your scenario. (And any cursory study of WW2 naval history will reveal them.)

Firstly as stated in the title the fleets of one nation attacking another aren't sheep, they can't be penned, corralled, congregated or whatever other synonym you want to use. The attacking nation chooses where, how and when it will deploy its fleet. That means your nation has to react to their decisions. It gets to choose when, where or if to launch a nuclear strike but it can't force the enemy to concentrate every ship in its fleet exactly where it wants them to be. That's not how war works.

Secondly? Even if you could guarantee the destruction of every ship and crew member in the invading fleet? The attacking nation would tend to notice the instant its ships stopped communicating with it and then disappeared. After all it's the kind of thing people tend to notice and talk about (a lot). Equally important? Other neutral nations would notice as well.

There would be civilian shipping of all sorts, flying every flag under the sun sailing to and from your nation when the bomb dropped and tens if not hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals living and working in your nation.

Lastly? Spies! Other nations have them. Nuclear weapons production requires large secure facilities and leaves traces that can be detected. Even if its just some random physicist in another part of the world detecting unusual isotope patterns in the air and/or sea water. And as soon as someone gets suspicious? Resources will be poured into finding out what your country is hiding.

Sooner rather later egg heads will be consulted and the senior leadership of other nations will be hearing whispers about (say it softly) atomic weapons.

EDIT: Also look at the Bikini Atoll tests where warships were in fact corralled and then attacked with atomic bombs. Even in that unrealistic scenario some larger ships remained intact. If a radio on any of them could be repaired (and naval ships were set up for that) survivors could and would almost certainly try get a message out before they later died of radiation poisoning.

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    $\begingroup$ Civilian shipping would try to stay far, far away from an invasion fleet, and the fleet itself would probably keep them away if they wandered close (since who knows if there is a radio aboard to pass targeting information to the defenders). Otherwise, though, the point is well taken that such a fleet would be pretty spread out, with the landing crafts (and their carriers/tenders) close to shore, but supply ships far enough back to be out of range of land-based guns. It'd probably take an H-bomb rather than a first-generation A-bomb to sink things that far apart, even in the best case. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 23:37
  • $\begingroup$ @Ralph Neutral shipping still operated freely during both world wars. But my point was they are still sets of eyes on the ocean, eyes that might see a giant flash of light on the horizon or perhaps a strange towering pillar of smoke or cloud in the far distance. Maybe they pass a drifting and dead warship days after the attack or even pick up a raft load of survivors, burnt and perhaps dying from some strange illness but still able to tell their story. War is messy and bits and pieces of it get left all over the land and/or seascape. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 3:18
  • $\begingroup$ "The attacking nation would tend to notice the instant its ships stopped communicating with it and then disappeared." -- This point is flawed in that wartime fleets frequently followed a radio-silence doctrine throughout the operation. E.g., Bismarck in Operation Rheinubung, Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor. They also had short-range TBS (talk-between-ships) systems so a fleet could coordinate without detectable signals long-distance. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 6:35
  • $\begingroup$ @Daniel R. Collins Yes I know they did. The point is they didn't maintain it indefinitely did they? The attacking navy would be operating on a plan devised by HQ and that HQ would be as aware of the timetable implied by that plan as the Admiral commanding the fleet at sea was. So at some point they would be expecting updates. If you read some history of say the 2nd world Pacific war you'll see that radio silence wasn't strict and absolute. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 7:36
  • $\begingroup$ It would be held for at least several weeks of an operation, so "notice the instant" is inaccurate. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 17:01
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Frame challenge: this story would work better with nerve gas or biological warfare. These were seen as the 'doomsday weapons' at the beginning of WWII. Britain was afraid that Germany would use their advanced chemistry to poison the whole of London from aircraft. Germany was afraid that we would do the same to them. The Allies did not use biological warfare on the Axis even when the had air superiority. They had fully developed weapons and did not use them for fear of retaliation.

When the Japanese Navy was taking ports in the Far East from the British, you could reasonably guess where they might go next: probably the nearest port to them and the furthest one from you and your supplies. If the British left a port, they could spread anthrax for the invaders. This is not quite accurate because anthrax was only deployable late in WWII, but a lot more feasible than secretly advancing the Manhattan project. This might be seen as similar to laying mines in territory you were forced to abandon: it is a cost-effective way of doing the enemy harm.

You would not want to boast about it. There would be collateral damage to the other inhabitants. Tough on them, but War is Hell. You could deny you did anything: disease broke out when you stopped looking after the territories and their infrastructure. If nerve gases were used, then it was the enemy trying to clear the territory they were surprised by a change of wind, or unwise bombing of a chemical plant.

In this topsy-turvy world, the first use of nukes would probably stop any covert use of poison gas or germ warfare, as the real threat of a revealed weapon is a better deterrent than a covert attack that you could deny.

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    $\begingroup$ Check out how Japan's Unit 731 tried to use germ warfare in China. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaimingjie_germ_weapon_attack $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 16:05
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    $\begingroup$ Especially biological warfare makes a lot of sense. Development is plausible since even a small lab can simply get lucky in their strains mutations and with only seaborne targets it's realistic enough to ignore the threat of a breakout (especially in a "we do this or we capitulate"-scenario). WW2 ships living quarters are quite cramped so if you get a ship, you get the whole ship with decent luck $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 12:41
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You want the exact inverse

Your weapon of mass destruction is not just a strategic asset. Strategically blowing up a stronghold or even a whole army in its assembly area is a win, but the Allies and even the Nazis and Soviets knew better than to not capitalize on what war is won by: PROPAGANDA. Every enemy your soldiers kill, every heroic soldier who finds death by the cowardly enemy, every destroyed tank of the enemy, every shot down plane is perfect to bolster the morale of the homefront and throw leaflets and demoralizing messages at the enemy.

A weapon of mass destruction is SO GOOD at demoralizing the enemy and proving your own superiority, it managed to crack a country that a week earlier sent its young and best on suicide attacks that strategically had negative effectiveness!

Let's look at the country that Japan invaded... or rather: the conglomerate of Warlords that feigned to be one country but in fact several: China, which just so happened to have broken up once again.

China, long divided, must unite; long united, it must divide.

Manchuria and Korea were Japanese-controlled and a puppet, East Heibei was a Japanese holding. After the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, the KMT (nationalist China) was in a pickle: They were ill-prepared, and Japan was an existential threat. Getting the support of the other Chinese Warlords (like Shanxi and the Communists) meant, they had to lower their own prestige and standing for concessions. And they were driven back, losing Beijing after 3 weeks. If any of the Warlords had a secret nuke in 1937, they surely would have reacted to the Marco Polo Bridge Incident by using it to claim the Mandate of Haven and uniting China: not surrendering and using it to obliterate one of the Japanese armies or a port, loudly proclaiming they had stockpiles upon stockpiles of them and just feigning it would have given the owning Warlord so much leverage, he'd have become the leader of all of China.

And Japan? The Imperial Army needed to win under the old samurai saying of 勝てば官軍 "The winner is King". If you Win, your actions can't be questioned by your superiors. If you lose you are pretty much expected to die by your own hand to shield your superiors from blame. The politicians would have been quick to broker a peace if China showed they could take their armies out in fireballs. The failure of the military would have given the Politicians all they needed to assert control. Propagandizing the effect of the nuke works in favor of peace here!

Hiding is impossible

Now, Trying to hide the use of the nuke is against all military strategy and reason. It should not be done. And it can't be reasonably done, because you'd need to eliminate anyone knowing about the nuke and its use on your side as well as on the enemy side. And we all know, three men can only keep a secret if two of them are dead. In this case: you'd need to kill every soldier that invaded, every soldier that defended where the nuke fell, and then, because of the nature of nukes, remove the very place where the nuke fell from the map. Which is nigh impossible, even if that location is a tiny sandbar in the Pacific and you shovel it to be no longer there. The contaminants in the ground alone would tell a researcher going there exactly what happened, including the ability to calculate the day it blew up down to a rough hour.

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  • $\begingroup$ There's another reason for not using your nuke: you likely dont't have (m)any spares. This is why the pre-nuke soviets were still considered a threat by the US: because the US only had an extra nuke every month or two in the early post-war days, so some wargame scenarios assumed they might just take the hit of loosing a city or army group and carrying on. Any nation with their own nuclear program would be well aware that that tiny island cannot have any relevant reserve nukes $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 13:13
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    $\begingroup$ @QuestionablePresence Japan was bluffed: the US had 0 nukes in hand, after blowing all 3 they had in 3 weeks, test included. But they said "We got one for you every week till your land is glass". $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 14:55
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You cannot hide the nuclear explosion.

I once worked in a geological institute and I know that big detonations can be detected via seismographs around the world. I know of one example where an exploding factory could be measured many hundreds of kilomoters away.
Seismographs are a well established technology during the time of WW2 (they exist since around 1875).

  • Take two seismographs on two locations with precise clocks and you know the exact time of the event and have two possible locations for the center.
  • Take three seismographs on three locations with precise clocks and you know exactly where the epicentrum was.
  • Detonate an atomic bomb somewhere and many, if not all countries around the world will know where and when it happened.

With that information it is easy to guess who used the nuclear weapon.
You would need a strong earthquake on the same location and at the same time to obscure the detonation event.

Edit: If this is the first nuclear bomb ever then it may be unknown what the big detonation was, but once nuclear weapons are known the mystery gets revealed soon.

Edit 2 as a conclusion from the comments:
Even though it was theoretically possible to locate the explosion via seismographs and Fourier Transformations, at least the people in our history were not able to do that during World War II (the math existed but was forgotten or not yet known how to use it for that use case).
Thus seismographs of that time were able to detect the shockwaves of nuclear explosions but it is unceartain if it could be detected as such and how good the epicentrum could be located at that time.
As the question plays in an alternate history I leave it to the OPs decision if this is possible or not.

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    $\begingroup$ At the time, I would have expected this to be filed under "minor quake, location this, magnitude that, no big deal." How likely that it gets correlated with highly classified radio intercepts of a naval battle, then or at a later period when the history of the war was written? It would require the fusion of unrelated data sources. Maybe some grad student with a side interest in military history will look at the old data a decade later. Or not. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 15, 2025 at 20:48
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    $\begingroup$ @o.m. Don't underestimate the knowledge and curiosity of geologists :-) (I don't count myself as one). There are ways to differentiate an explosion from an earthquake. The wave patterns look different and the triangulation also reveals the depth of the epicentrum. An explosion like pattern on (or above) the surface is hardly an eartquake. Though I wonder how many geologists will read OPs story and complain about it. This science fact is obscure enough to decide to ignore it. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 16:48
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    $\begingroup$ @o.m. How would you know the precise time of the event if you only had two seismographs? Isn't this basically the same problem that GPS solves, without the "broadcaster" transmitting a clock? Even with 3 seismographs you don't have depth, unless you're going to assume everything is at the surface. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 10:06
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    $\begingroup$ Seismographs were pretty much useless for detecting nuclear explosions before the (re)discovery of the Discrete Fourier Transformation, there's just too much noise iflscience.com/… @MartinKealey it doesnt matter because even with a billion seismographs they couldn't've done it. Maybe with some located very close and conveniently spaced $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 12:36
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    $\begingroup$ @QuestionablePresence Thanks for the details. My Knowledge ends at that level. I only knew that it is possible to calculate the location and even the depth somehow and have some basic understanding of triangulation but not that this requires relatively modern math techniques to do that. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 13:44
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Not in the important respects.

It's possible that they might conceal that the weapon was nuclear.

But the really important question is whether they can conceal a very powerful weapon. And they can not. The enemy will know that a large fleet just vanished entirely without a typhoon or other natural catastrophe to explain it.

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They couldn't drop the nukes and remain secret. But there's no reason they couldn't plant nuclear devices underwater and detonate them as the ships go over and wipe them out with the shock waves.

It's not like they'd have to stick it on the ships, just get them close enough. And the ocean will absorb the radiation isotopes fairly quickly.

It's been tested in various scenarios, so we know what happens.

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    $\begingroup$ Uh... no. Nuking seawater gets you heaps of very radioactive sodium. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 4:38
  • $\begingroup$ @MontyWild so what?.................. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 7:34
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    $\begingroup$ So that much radiation makes it not exactly secret. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 18, 2025 at 3:36
  • $\begingroup$ @MontyWild it's the ocean, not a bathtub. It doesn't stay in one place for long and the place it is in for a short time is not accessible. Seems common sense to me. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 18, 2025 at 9:42
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    $\begingroup$ The trouble is that failing to eliminate every person on the target vessels immediately would leave bodies or survivors with the unmistakable signs of radiation sickness, and the vessels themselves would also be highly irradiated. While the bodies might eventually disappear, the sunken vessels, or more critically, any that were exposed but not sunken, would be a give-away. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 18, 2025 at 11:03
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History would already be pretty different.

Independently developing nuclear weapons is a huge undertaking. During our world's version of WWII, only the United States (in collaboration with the UK and Canada), Germany, the Soviet Union, and Japan had their own A-bomb projects, with only the US-led Manhattan Project even coming close to completion by the end of the war. You'll note how those four projects account for the five most militarily-powerful and economically-significant countries in the world at the time, and also Canada.

For another country to develop nuclear weapons five to ten years ahead of the US is certainly not scientifically impossible, but it would be completely outside the capabilities of any state that wasn't wealthy enough to be deemed a world power. (A number of smaller states have developed nuclear weapon programs since WWII, but they relied on the advances made during and after WWII.) Espionage, notably, would not have helped much—nobody was really doing secret nuclear research until about 1939 anyway.

This then implies that in your version of history, there is an additional country—and probably a notable landmass—in the South Pacific, and it's a world power in its own right. This would imply significant changes in the course of world history, depending on the history of your country (Is it a former colony of a European state? How did it gain independence? Is it an indigenous state that resisted colonization? What factors led to its resistance and rise to power?), but certainly it changes the circumstances of World War II.

World War II's Pacific Theatre consisted of two factors: On the one hand, Japan was engaged in imperial acquisition of territory, namely West Pacific islands and the Asian mainland. On the other, Japan and the US were locked in a bilateral struggle for influence and control over the Pacific Ocean. If there's an additional world power in the Pacific, that means it's not a two-way conflict, but a three-way one.

An additional true Pacific power would not only impede Japan's direct expansionism, as your question describes, but also interfere with both Japan's and the US's plays for regional influence. Both countries would be actively pursuing policies of either alliance with, or containment of, your country, for years before the war began. This might be enough all on its own to mean that in this world they don't speak of a "World War II" as we know it. Certainly it goes very differently coming out of the war.

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  • $\begingroup$ Nuclear programs were so expensive because it took a lot of trial and error, but what if you just get really lucky in your trying? What if your scientists just happen to come up with the right theory (repeatedly), dodging the costly dead ends that everyone else went through. Of course, by now it's getting implausible, but not impossible. Switzerland was within a year of getting a nuke and while their engineering is on point, their industrial capacity definitely isn't (though also only with lessons from decades more of nuclear research) $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 13:16
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    $\begingroup$ Japan wasn't just after territory; they were after resources. Japan being a volcanic island doesn't have supplies of oil and the US putting an embargo on oil to Japan was a major problem. Thus, their initial attack included getting the Dutch East Indies which had oil. If there was a third power seeking resources, that would have caused even more problems. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 16:30
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    $\begingroup$ @QuestionablePresence Succinctly, Switzerland was able to become a nuclear threshold state because the nuclear bomb was an existing, proven technology and because nuclear power was known and well-developed. In the 30s, neither was true; no small country would gamble on it short of a time traveler spilling nuclear secrets from the future to them. That might be an interesting story! $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 23, 2025 at 21:27
  • $\begingroup$ @rartorata or one highly delusional, politically connected nuclear scientist that just continues to get lucky experiment after experiment. Which is why they think it'll be easy enough to risk it, convincing clueless politicians with the quick progress, don't forget that a country risking anything isn't necessarily tied to realistic assessments, that's just how we all hope the world works. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 5 at 13:08
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    $\begingroup$ @QuestionablePresence I was operating under the assumption that it was a realistic country in the South Pacific (typical populations in the tens of thousands). And even successful experiments aren't cheap or easy; miraculously avoiding any false starts would have made the Manhattan Project faster and cheaper, but not by as much as you'd like. And the difficulty of convincing higher-ups that these experiments really will be miraculously successful every single time will make getting the project off the ground all but impossible. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 16 at 22:50
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You can hide it for 15 ‒ 20 years, yes

Short answer: Yes, with some reservations

Long answer: Can they...

  • "congregate the ships": Yes, a suitable choke point can crowd up the enemy ships, especially if they make a feint that builds enemy confidence that they can pass there unopposed

  • "drop the nukes": No need, I would instead leave them as remote controlled mines

  • "kill any survivors (if any)": gruesome, but yes

  • "clean up the wreckage, and then collect any irradiated material": no, not a chance, simply too much mass


The obvious place where this will leak is from the staff involved in creating/deploying the bombs. You can keep it tight, but any conspiracy involving two people or more, is liable to leak.

Still though, it can probably be kept tight enough. The prime example of keeping a nuclear weapons program under wraps is Israel. There have been leaks, yes, but very few.

"But what about the explosion, and the resulting radiation?"

Here is the thing: no one is looking for that, at that point in time. No one knows about nukes in general.

And not even when knowing about nukes, and looking for them, can we be sure to actually notice their use. The Vela incident for instance, even though direct evidence of a nuke was captured on instruments, was more of a mystery than a finger pointing at a culprit. And that required satellites to capture!

So, assuming the nation can enrich uranium to make a Little Boy gun-type bomb ‒ a plutonium implosion bomb is entirely out of the question for an island nation in this time-frame ‒ and make enough of them, say 10:ish, then yes, they can conceivably wipe out the invasion force and hide the truth until the 1960s.

  • Hostile witnesses of the explosion are eliminated.

  • The fallout will be diluted by the time it reaches the major nuclear players, and no one is expecting it anyway.

  • The wrecks will remain.... but finding a wreck when you do not know where to look for it, is hard. And the island nation may also cordon off the entire area. (Plot generator!!)

  • Since Japan is defeated by the Allies, records of this failed invasion might get lost. There will be much wondering: "What happened to the ships?! We know they should exist, and now they are just... gone." (Plot generator!!!)

So, without too much artistic license: yes, this plot works.

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In practice it’d be really hard to hide: even if you keep witnesses away, the “weird” stuff (acute radiation symptoms, long-term cancers, unexplained fallout patterns, and a blast that doesn’t match conventional ordnance) leaves fingerprints. WWII also had tons of neutral observers, intelligence networks, and postwar investigators—so you’re not just hiding the explosion, you’re hiding the medical and environmental aftermath for years.

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The only feasible "island nation in the south pacific" would have been Australia, which probably wasn't what you were after.

Australia has its own fissile mineral deposits, and enough land to put a secret testing base without anyone noticing.

There are even rumours of Australia unwittingly playing host to the only nuclear detonation not sponsored by a nation state, though that remains unproven and somewhat controversial. (Bill Bryson wrote about it in one of his tour-narrative books.)

It wouldn't be too hard to discredit reports of one "possible nuke" as being "a large meteorite impact", though repeated tests might be harder to cover up.

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    $\begingroup$ In the book In a Sunburnt Country (also titled Down Under), Bill Bryson writes about a seismic disturbance on 28 May 1993 near Banjawarn Station in West Australia. Its 2 kilotonne profile was unlike both earthquakes and mining operations, and it left no visible surface crater. It's speculated that it might have been a nuke set off by the Aum Shinrikyo cult. (An alternative, and perhaps more credible, explanation is a large meteorite, though it has still not been found.) $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 19, 2025 at 8:10
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Maybe.

The use of nuclear weapons against a city will be hard to hide. That being said, if nobody knows what those "novel high-yield explosives" are, will they be able to tell that we're talking about nukes and not something conventional? That might hold the first years, but nations with their own "Manhattan Project" will not be deceived. Send a spy to take soil samples, and the secret is up.

But at sea?

A conventional sub fires a nuclear torpedo into the center of a naval task force. The battleships at the center are all gone. So are the flimsy destroyers of the screen. Perhaps a pair of cruisers survive, from opposite sides of the formation. Both report a single very big blast, followed by a sort of tsunami. That must have been the secondary explosion of the magazines of the battleship closest to the observer, right? One well-aimed spread from one gutsy sub skipper. "Something fundamentally wrong with their magazines and torpedo protection schemes."

And, as you mentioned in the question, neither of the cruisers survived the war, no way to take samples directly from their charred paint ...

The big challenge I see are radioactive isotopes in the environment, spreading from that time and place but not present in older, more distant samples. People could look at glacier cores, or sediments, and find incontrovertible proof. Compare US attempts at atmospheric sampling to detect a Soviet test. Time and distance might help for a few years after 45 -- isotopes decay and get diluted, so only better instruments will provide proof.

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    $\begingroup$ A conventional sub fires a nuclear torpedo into the center of a naval task force. The target ship goes up in a massive explosion. The nearest two or three ships are heavily damaged, and are likely to sink if damage-control is unable to stop the leaks; regardless, the crews of those ships will die of radiation poisoning over the next few days. The rest of the fleet is lightly damaged at most, and most cases of radiation poisoning are survivable. See Crossroads Baker, and note that the ships are more densely packed than an actual fleet. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 1:38
  • $\begingroup$ @Mark, I acknowledge your point, but see the 4th Fleet Incident or Typhoon Cobra. Crossroads Baker was at an anchorage, and fair weather. Say the outer destroyers were not reinforced because 4th Fleet did not happen in the ATL. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 5:14
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    $\begingroup$ -1: No. A fleet in operations would not sink, and the explosion could not be mistaken for a convential explosion. Ammo cooking off blows turrets of the barbettes, not lift the ship out of the water while on a fireball for a few moments - besides many people surviving and getting irradiated - everyone would know at latest in 1945 that this would have been a nuke just from survivor records. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 11:41
  • $\begingroup$ @Mark Agreed, a WW2-scale nuclear device isn't going to wipe out a fleet... and a blast that was large enough to wipe out a fleet certainly wouldn't be mistaken for a magazine detonation. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 20:13
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I'll add one more difficulty to the long list of thorny problems that other have identified: dropping the bomb. The US had only one type of plane that could delivery a heavy atomic bomb, the Boeing B-29 Superfortress, and they had this plane only because they had been building a series of increasing large bombers for use in a war. The only alternative was the Avro Lancaster, which would have made it a shared mission. The Lancaster was also the latest in lengthy evolution.

So our small island nation also has to hide the existence of a bomber development program...

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    $\begingroup$ Not a problem. The B-29 is the only bomber the US had that could carry an atom bomb, but the US had a number of flying boats such as the Boeing 314 Clipper or the Consolidated PB2Y Coronado that could have been modified to carry one. And an island nation has no need to hide the development of large flying boats. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 16, 2025 at 23:11
  • $\begingroup$ @Mark especially if we drop the requirement of the plane and/or crew surviving. When you don't need detaching mechanisms and so on transport becomes much more feasible $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2025 at 13:18
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One issue that is not thought about much is that the idea of atomic energy was already widespread far earlier than most of us realize - H.G. Wells wrote about an Atomic Bomb in his novel "The World Set Free" published in 1914

The World Set Free cover

Dropping an Atomic Bomb in The World Set Free. Wells and the illustrator were constrained by their time

The issue isn't that no one knew about atomic energy or the potential, it is no one was able to figure out how to access and extract that energy. Nuclear fission wasn't demonstrated until 1938. Indeed, once the war was on, almost everyone had some sort of nuclear program - "Tube Alloys" in the British Empire, Uranprojekt by National Socialist Germany, a Soviet program was started in 1942 and Japan, despite it's small industrial base, had 2 competing programs - Army's "Ni-Go Project" and the Navy's "F-Go Project". The United States eventually absorbed much of the information from Tube Alloys and successfully completed the making of a working nuclear weapon - largely because they had the resources and willingness to try virtually every possible method of doing so - much of the Manhattan project was based on finding a economical method of separating U-235 from U-238, for example.

K-25 enrichment complex

This massive building is just one of the multitude of buildings created to test different ways to enrich uranium to create fissile material

So while an unknown power in the Pacific ocean might understand that Atomic energy was possible, the scientific and industrial resources needed to actually make an atomic bomb simply would be out of their reach. Even the British Empire, with all of their resources, simply couldn't set aside enough to successfully create a nuclear weapon during the War.

There is one very out of the box idea which might allow the independent discovery and harnessing of nuclear energy, but it also requires alt physics as well as alt history. Subatomic particles called muons, which are created by cosmic rays impacting the upper atmosphere can "catalyze" nuclear fusion reactions by displacing electrons. Due to their mass, the muons orbiting hydrogen or deuterium nuclei cause the atoms to approach closely enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and have the nuclei fuse. However, muons have such a short lifespan that these reactions are not self sustaining (otherwise the oceans would have boiled away eons ago)

muon catalyzed fusion

muon catalyzed fusion

However, if there is some sort of handwave which scientists could use to either generate enough muons in a short period of time or overcome the "sticking" problem, then fusion energy can be harnessed in different ways, as a power generation system for energy production or powering ships and vehicles, or to create a catalytic bomb.

Most of the objections to secretly using such a device still stand - a very distinct seismic event can be recorded, and high levels of radiation could be detected near the event or later as fallout from ground bursts or underwater explosions. However, a nation capable of harnessing fusion energy in the 1930's would overturn virtually every social, political and economic assumption and lead to a much different sequence of events - possibly a WWII with different combinations of Powers in alliance, one nation achieving overwhelming economic dominance that the reasoning behind going to war becomes invalid or a singular nation taking on the world - no Axis or Allies needed.

The world in 1939

The 1939 world map would change beyond recognition

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    $\begingroup$ Fun fact: the first patent for a nuclear chain reaction was issued in 1936. (It involves beryllium, which can't actually chain react in this way, but still.) Less fun, but still awe-inspiring fact: the Oak Ridge facility (part of which is pictured above) eventually employed some 82,000 technicians and plant workers, plus a further 10,000 support staff. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 11 at 11:23

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