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Japanese placenames are transliterated as Chinese #9400

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When using a non-Japanese language with transliteration turned on, if there's no corresponding name:language tag on a placename in Japan, the kanji parts are transliterated using Mandarin Chinese pinyin, which has no relation to the Japanese pronunciation.

Hiragana parts seem to be transliterated properly, maybe because hiragana characters are specific to Japanese, while kanji characters are mostly shared with Chinese.

The problem is compounded by the fact that most kanji have multiple pronunciations. A workaround could be to substitute name:en where it's available, since that's probably the most common foreign name tag.

Using OsmAnd~ 3.7.4 on Android 7.

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  1. vshcherb commented on Jul 6, 2020

    @vshcherb
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    that issue supposed to be fixed for maps of Japan please share location to test.

  2. modified the milestones: 3.8, 3.8-backend on Jul 6, 2020
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  5. zekooooo commented on Jul 8, 2020

    @zekooooo
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    I don't have any Japan maps installed. When browsing the world map, faux Chinese names appear when zooming in when language is set to e.g. Croatian and transliteration is enabled.

    It seems that when I install e.g. the Kyushu map the issue goes away (Japanese characters are displayed even with transliteration enabled). I've uninstalled that map and the characters stayed untransliterated even after several switches to English or local and back, but the next day "itikiChuan Mu Ye Shi" etc. came back.

    Edit:
    I've just installed another prefecture map (Saitama) to test, and it seems that with the map installed, the non-existent names are not transliterated and Japanese characters are shown instead. (I think showing name:en would be preferable for Latin scripts since most Latin script languages transliterate Japanese similarly, but it's meaningful, unlike faux Pinyin). After deleting the map (so that I again have no Japan maps, only the world basemap mini & world overview map) while on city-size zoom, faux Pinyin immediately reappears.

  6. added this to the 3.8-backend milestone on Jul 9, 2020
  7. MadWasp79 commented on Jul 10, 2020

    @MadWasp79
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    @zekooooo During map creation, we are forcing correct transliterations only for name_en tags (in case there is no translation in data already). Adding transliterated tags for every language is overkill. And as I see it, we turned off transliteration for other languages, so even turning it on leaves original Japanese hieroglyphs in place. I will look into this issue but for now, if you want to see correct transliteration, choose the English language for map browsing and it will transliterate most of the signs in Japan correctly.

  8. removed this from the 3.8-backend milestone on Jul 10, 2020
  9. zekooooo commented on Jul 14, 2020

    @zekooooo
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    Ok, thanks. It's really more of a cosmetic problem here since it only happens to people browsing the world map, not to those who have (and use) a Japan map. Just posted here in case it had a quick fix :)

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