Timeline for Can a controlled mount escape a grapple? (2014)
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| 9 hours ago | comment | added | nonymous | @Senmurv, even if you believe that, one is more specific to another in practice. By default mounted combat rules assume no conditions. Adding a condition is a more specific scenario. | |
| 22 hours ago | comment | added | Senmurv | I think they are both general rules, so the specific trumps general does not apply here. However, maybe relinquishing control will enable it to break the grapple as it can then act independently. See answer to this: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/116497/… | |
| yesterday | comment | added | nonymous | @justhalf that’s a good comparison. You can even take it a step further and ask if it’s possible to ride the drake as a controlled mount, ie whether the drake needs to be commanded with a BA while controlled. In the greater context, I would say that you can ride it as a controlled mount and it can escape a grapple without a BA. But, the wording of the two features are different (“action option” vs “only action it takes”) and there may be room to rule differently. I would say, the Drake is free to escape the grapple. | |
| yesterday | comment | added | justhalf | @nonymous I found another example that could be ruled together with this one, which might help answerers decide. Drake Companion only available action is Dodge, unless the ranger uses BA to command it to do another action. Is it more specific than grappled? Or grappled more specific than this one? Does the ranger needs a BA to command the drake to use its action to escape grapple, or can it do it on its own? What are the differences with Mounted Combatant, and how would that affect our rulings? Thanks! | |
| 2 days ago | comment | added | Eddymage | @nonymous You are just trying to force a vision that is not in the rules: the game is much more simple than you are making it. Grapple rules are more general, controlled mount are more specific, full stop. And in 2014 there are no new rules, maybe you are referring to 2024. I have no more to add to this discussion. | |
| 2 days ago | comment | added | nonymous | @Eddymage, can a condition be subject to the mounted combat rules? No. Can the mounted combat rules be subject to different conditions? Yes. It’s very obvious that the condition is the “exception”, here. They do conflict. And, the grapple rules provide a new option. | |
| 2 days ago | comment | added | Eddymage | @nonymous I will engage with you just this once. I sincerely do not see how it is baseless: you are are really reverting the relationship between these rules. Grappling rules are telling how in general a creature can escape from a grapple, i.e., using it action to take an DEX or STR check. The controlled mounted rules limit the action a creature can take, providing only 3 options, and among these there is not "make a STR o DEX check". Of course a DM could rule otherwise, and probably I would allow it if the character is an experienced rider, but the actual rules do not allow this. | |
| 2 days ago | comment | added | nonymous | You claim that with no basis, @Eddymage | |
| 2 days ago | comment | added | Eddymage | The reasoning is completely reverted: the rules for the grappled condition are the general ones, the controlled mount rules are more specific. | |
| 2 days ago | comment | added | SeriousBri | A controlled mount is a controlled mount all day, but it is only grappled for (hopefully) a very short time. So being grappled is more specific to the situation. | |
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| 2 days ago | comment | added | Thomas Markov | “The grappled condition is more specific” Is it though? How do you know? What are you criteria for specificity? | |
| 2 days ago | history | answered | nonymous | CC BY-SA 4.0 |