Timeline for Curation and cynicism: Or why Stack Overflow sometimes doesn't seem welcoming
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| Jul 17, 2020 at 15:42 | comment | added | David Fisher | @S.L.Barth-ReinstateMonica Thanks -- this is normal for me - people don't agree with my world view or see me as blaming others. I'm just trying to shed light on issues that I see to provide a different prospective as to why people like Machavity might be wrong or right. Also pointing out problems in the design. Using Remy's and Peter's logic and sprinkling some "nothing new under the sun, redesigning the wheel" nonsense: the only questions worth asking are on new things. The newest thing is my attempt to re-create this program that's been done 9001 times already in some slightly different way. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 15:30 | comment | added | David Fisher | @PeterMortensen "never" happen in the real world. IDK dude, Floridaman wants to challenge you on that. Also, how many times is the wheel going to be re-invented for the question to be considered a repeat. I also see stuff that says "use use this framework instead" which IMO is completely off topic and out of scope. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 15:14 | comment | added | David Fisher | @Remy It's not hard to see the number of views on the page remain static during the time frame of the negative comment and the down vote. Because out of the 5 people that viewed my question, I have someone commenting on the question not being clear, a down vote, and my response can follow with a quote answering their comment looking for clarity. It doesn't seem unreasonable to make that assumption. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 15:04 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | @DavidFisher Yeah, it's not meant to do that. Sounds like there's some bad UX dialog out in the wild again (or possibly an email - SE has had a few misses on those lately). Disregarding whatever told you that, that's not the case. You need 50 rep to comment, you need 1 (which is the lowest rep you can have) to edit, 15 to upvote, and 125 to downvote. There's several ways to get that, and you don't have to ask questions to get it. You can answer and edit as well. You can actually earn up to 1000 rep off edits (which is 500 edits) | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 14:59 | comment | added | David Fisher | @Zoe I specifically remember when I signed up that I had to ask a question before I was allowed to do anything else, comment, vote, edit, etc. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 14:16 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Re "Eventually everything will be asked and answered and Stack Overflow will be a static site for answers, right?: No, a new JavaScript framework is invented every single week, so this will never happen. Also, some day something will replace JavaScript. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 14:16 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Re "all of these questions are "homework"": No, "homework" refers to artificial problems (e.g. with strange constraints that will never happen in the real world). | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 14:07 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Re "...even get started here if you're required to ask a question just to be able to contribute?": No, you can answer questions. There are plenty of niches on Stack Overflow where the only thing required to answer is the grunt work of researching on the Internet (no prior knowledge required). There is plenty of time (no competition - no preemption by other answers), in contrast to the major tags (JavaScript, C++, Python, C#, etc.) | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 14:04 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Active reading [<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/downvote>]. Expanded.
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| Jul 17, 2020 at 9:53 | comment | added | Remy | Also you make a bold claim that people with x reputation will downvote you just because you don't use their naming convention, where do you pull the data from to make this accusation (votes are anonymous)? In my opinion that is a toxic claim to make, bunching together all high-rep users into some kind of downvote zombie, and "edit post" should never be used to change someone's code beyond formatting, if you (see others) edit to fix naming/code in a question roll it back, or flag a mod for it. Also all help is voluntarily, if no one answers then so be it. Is your car getting fixed for free? | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 9:48 | comment | added | Remy |
and SO will be a static site for answers, right? You realize this kind of is the goal right? Having a huge repository of questions and answers people can find their answers on immediately without having to wait for someone to answer their question. Also I think there is a misinterpretation of what the duplicate close is for. it isn't strict punishment, it doesnt make your question invalid, it is a way of creating aliases and new routes for common problems. Not everyone knows the correct terminology, but might use the same description as you. Following the dupe they will now find it.
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| Jul 17, 2020 at 9:47 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | "Things getting left unanswered because it isn't worth anyone's time to try find a solution" - no, some things get left because it gets buried in the extremely high traffic SO gets every single day. Also, it's perfectly possible to ask a question no one online at the time knows the answer to. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 9:46 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | "Comments can't be down voted but their nastiness remains" - you're not meant to downvote comments, or respond to them for that matter. If you see truly rude comments, flag them. That also gets recorded, and will eventually have consequences for people posting such comments | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 9:44 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump | "Every question that has been asked before is marked as a duplicate. How does someone that is new to the community even get started here if you're required to ask a question just to be able to contribute?" - you're not. You can edit posts and answer as well. When you hit 15 rep IIRC, you'll be able to aid with basic moderation (flagging questions, answers, and comments). When you get more rep, you'll unlock additional moderation tools, like close votes at 3k and delvotes at 10k. There's more ways to contribute than just by asking | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 8:42 | comment | added | E_net4 | We do not exclude people, but there is a defensive stance against poor quality content. It's this way because the goal is to collect a repository of quality questions and answers. If the comments are indeed nasty, you can flag them to be removed. The problem is that terse comments such as the one suggested above sit in a borderline. They can still be removed once they are no longer needed. Anyway, this is yet another case of calling the site's curation methods to be toxic, so it is obviously not endorsed by the most active members of the community, a fair number of which are curators. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 8:41 | comment | added | S.L. Barth is on codidact.com | Welcome to Meta! You're having a rough start here, but that's normal - many new users find this place difficult. While I disagree with some of the points you make, I can see where you're coming from. I hope you can take a little comfort from that. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 8:32 | comment | added | David Fisher | A community that isn't inclusive eventually becomes elitist. Comments can't be down voted but their nastiness remains and others that might agree with some of it without realizing how uninviting the words in the comment might be just adds to the echo chamber that I see on here to this day -- my account's not young. I just don't ever want to post anything because I'm always worried I'm wrong for something. -- kinda like how people don't like my "answer" now... It's a point of view from someone who actually believes this place is rather toxic but still needs answers occasionally. | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 8:11 | comment | added | E_net4 | 1. That's great, you get an answer substantially faster than someone having to write one from scratch. Work with the dupe, not against it. 2. This is a hard claim to back, considering that votes are anonymous by design; experience tells me that there are usually better reasons for the downvotes than the ones the poster thinks. 3. The site is run by volunteers! There is no way to ensure an answer to an answerable question, and no one is entitled to an answer to the question in the first place. 4. Discussed to death and not going to happen: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436 | |
| Jul 17, 2020 at 8:08 | history | edited | Cody GrayMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Age doesn't matter on Stack Exchange sites.
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| Jul 17, 2020 at 7:30 | history | answered | David Fisher | CC BY-SA 4.0 |