Timeline for answer to Did Paul imply that the Jews had the capacity to believe in Romans 9:32? by Joshua
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| May 13, 2016 at 14:06 | comment | added | Steve can help♦ | @BlessedGeek - that's not a very fair statement, what's your basis for that? Jesus is of the line of David/Zerubbabel, was baptised by a prophet, had the Spirit of God come upon him, was physically anointed with oil, rode into Jerusalem on a donkey whilst the people sang "hosanna to the son of David", he was turned over by the Jewish authorities as one who "claimed to be messiah, a king", and was crucified for that same charge. Compared to any king since Solomon, he seems almost over-qualified? Read more... | |
| Mar 21, 2016 at 5:55 | comment | added | Cynthia | Jesus is NOT, has NEVER been, and NEVER WILL be the king of Jews, or the messiah mentioned chronologically between the books of Genesis to Malakhi. | |
| Mar 11, 2016 at 4:32 | comment | added | Jesus Saves | Brother Joshua, if the question doesnt conform to site guidelines, I respect that and it can be terminated. I posted the question knowing what I believed already. The purpose was to challenge my thinking with alternate views and to raise awareness of how held theology influences interpretation. May God bless you. | |
| Mar 11, 2016 at 4:10 | comment | added | Joshua | @JesusSaves it is a legitimate theological question. However, theological questions of what is truth are not valid questions on this site. Questions and their answers must be put in a more fact based format. It frustrates me often, but it is how the site works and I can understand and respect that. I'm honestly surprised this question hasn't been flagged as too opinion based. I actually rushed to answer it in the hope of giving it an objective, well rounded answer to show that it didn't need to be closed. Review the site tour. | |
| Mar 11, 2016 at 3:37 | comment | added | Jesus Saves | Brother Joshua, it's a legitimate question. Paul explains why the Jews (most) were unsaved (9:32). Is it reasonable to conclude that the Jews had the capacity to believe and chose not to? The problem with the question is the theological significance of the answer. | |
| Mar 10, 2016 at 23:25 | comment | added | Joshua | @JesusSaves honestly, 9:32 isn't really dealing with that. It is speaking on how the Jews were trying to obtain salvation. That they were capable of belief is not the point. The point is they believed they could obtain salvation through works, not faith. They did believe, but the wrong thing. Reread 10:16-21 and 11:25 if you don't think God planned for the Jews to reject him. Again. I focused on their responsibility for not believing. Not capacity. | |
| Mar 10, 2016 at 4:59 | comment | added | Jesus Saves | you wrote, "the Jews as a whole were sovereignly destined to reject Christ". I don't find this in Scripture. Back to the original question. Did Paul mean (9:32) that the Jews were capable of believing and yet refused? | |
| Mar 10, 2016 at 4:03 | comment | added | Joshua | @JesusSaves And if you are looking for why so many did not believe if they were given the capacity or opportunity, that is a slightly different question. I wouldn't get into "was God stopping people from believing when though they wanted to" or "how can they be responsible for God not electing them" debates in this format. You could ask that here in the form of asking a very specific denomination's theological position on this. But it would be a factual summary, not a question of what is true. | |
| Mar 10, 2016 at 3:52 | history | edited | Joshua | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
more directly answer the final question
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| Mar 10, 2016 at 3:42 | comment | added | Joshua | @JesusSaves I suppose I could add an affirmative, yes, to directly answer your final question. It gets a bit tricky there so I did sort of skirt the predestination part. Instead of saying whether they "capable of believing" I said they were responsible for not believing. There is a paradox here where the Jews as a whole were sovereignly destined to reject Christ, while at the same time each individual is given the opportunity. In the end only a remnant responded. We can conclusively establish that. I will edit to more directly reference the question. | |
| Mar 10, 2016 at 2:50 | comment | added | Jesus Saves | Joshua, do I understand you correctly, and are you answering the question? Paul described corporate Israel (11:8-11) who rejected salvation by faith in Christ. Corporate Israel consisted of individuals who all had the ability to believe –and yet rejected Christ. Thanks. | |
| Mar 10, 2016 at 0:54 | history | answered | Joshua | CC BY-SA 3.0 |